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Re: GAT Strategy - Set ups

Post by lottoarchitect » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:17 am

I want to point out that luck and chance is always there. The strength of GAT is it can identify very complex underlying behaviour to take advantage of. This goes way beyond simplistic approaches like statistics, hit charts etc which can only cater for very obvious simple connections, if these can be even found by observation. If however a particular draw changes dramatically its relationship/connection because the commission performed the draw in a drastically different manner then GAT can't do much about it. We have no control over when this connection will break and this is the primary reason we can never ever have the ability to come close to every draw.

Now to the observation of high vs low IDs. This has been discussed in the past. The case is not we'll always have more and better GATs at higher IDs but we have indeed more chances to find better GATs at that higher range. I have seen examples over the years that this holds more or less true. The initial start of a scan where low IDs tend to have some good hits is there of course - I have seen that like everyone else has - however what I have seen over the years running this engine is the stability of those GATs even if the overall amount of better performing GATs seems to remain approximately the same compared to low ID GATs. All those higher ID GATs are considered more 'stable" to their performance over the longer run using Run Factor, so ultimately they seem to be better GATs to keep using. To put it in a different prespective, the panorama at higher GAT IDs range does not owe to propose more better GATs in amount vs lower ID ranges, if this was the case we just had to reach 1 billion GATs and everything in there would be dark green! The overall stability of those higher GATs is the key here. These GATs have shown they can deliver more hits over their test range, this translates as better overall stability of their ability to do that, something lower ID GATs can't deliver to this extend. One more comment is, those initial good GATs of low ID scans quickly vanish out of the panorama; there is no way to pin-point these specific GATs as there isn't anything distinctive about them to keep them up there. Finally, one particular scan on a draw doesn't mean much regarding this low vs high ID observation. The whole discussion does not mean we should always have to reach very high IDs to get some good hits, but chances are we'll almost always pick a better GAT ID to keep using with Run Factor if we go that high in IDs if the available time allows for that.

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Re: GAT Strategy - Set ups

Post by lottoburg » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:51 am

After all, our discussion is still back to the old question now: How do you find the better performing GATs?

As it turns out, GAT 2.3b does not solve this problem. Whether you are in High or Low ID Rank, or using Run Factor which has been emphasized by you again and again.

That's why everyone is looking forward to using GAT 3.0 as soon as possible. It may be helpful in solving the above problem.

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Re: GAT Strategy - Set ups

Post by lottoarchitect » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:50 am

How do you find the better performing GATs?
For god's shake lottoburg, pick ANY GAT shown in the panorama - even if you do that blindfolded without caring for anything you'll be already way better than just picking your own numbers. Whatever you pick even randomly it is already a way better performing GAT. If ANY GAT in there can give you a desired hit sooner than naturally expected, by DEFINITION IT IS A BETTER PERFORMING GAT. The whole discussion is, IF POSSIBLE to also identify elements (i.e. by inspecting graphs or whatever) that can possibly make you choose among all those better GATs the one that can potentially produce it even sooner than the others. You never understood GAT in its full depth, so usage for such users is as simple as:

1) pick any GAT shown after a scan (RF=0) - random selection is fine
2) Use it with Run Factor till it produces your desired hit or don't deliver after a while judged by the 100/X rule.
3) Go back to step 1

If you want it in a different perspective, consider GAT panorama displays only one ID, let's say Row 1, Column 3 or 4 or 5 or pick your own favorite two numbers for a row and a column. It doesn't display to you anything else to check or compare or whatever. Even this GAT that falls in this position after a run of X time, it is still a better performing GAT. Pick it and use it with Run Factor.

This is the simplest way to use GAT at the moment. This is literally the instructions on how to use GAT for users who don't want to mess with charts or statistics and still quite better compared to picking your own numbers: PICK ANY GAT. No pun, these are the instructions plain as that. There isn't any problem to solve really because all the GATs shown in there are already better performing GATs so whichever one you pick is a better performing GAT.

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Re: GAT Strategy - Set ups

Post by lottoburg » Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:26 am

First of all, I agree with your definition of "better performing GAT", i.e. "If ANY GAT in there can give you a desired hit sooner than naturally expected" (However, I’m still not sure what's your mean about "naturally expected",random selection/quick pick or others? Let us consider it as any method other than GAT 2.3b here. OK?)

There are two key words: desired hit and sooner in the Definition of "better performing GAT" above.

1) What’s the Desired Hit?
From a single drawing, it should get a minimum prize at least by using a better performing GAT. For example, the minimum prize just is 3/5 which is about $20.00 (2/5 just get a free play of quick-pick instead cash) for NY Take-5/39.

OR From a circle play, which means you need to play many drawings, i.e. about 100/X (less or more) by using RF based on the same better performing GAT. You should get a real profit, i.e. prize - bet > 0.

OR From your plays of one month, two month even one year ….., the total results should be a real profit, i.e. prize – bet > 0

2) When’s the Sooner? It should be 100/X (less or more) drawings according to GAT 2.3b and Mr. AT’s explanation;

I believe firmly that most lotto players here should agree my opinion above.
How about you, Mr. AT?

(To be continued)

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Re: GAT Strategy - Set ups

Post by lottoburg » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:01 am

Hi, Everyone:

I'm not sure why I can not paste my pictures on the page by using the lightshot now.
The tool was working very well here before but today is not, even I have tried it again and again. However, I can paste a picture on any Word file by using lightshot but not on the post page here.

Could you tell me why? Is my lightshot or the Forum broke?
I would appreciate greatly any help!

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(The problem which came from my lightshot has been solved by myself now.
But I'm not sure how can delete this post except editing it. I'm so sorry about the confusion.
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Re: GAT Strategy - Set ups

Post by lottoburg » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:45 am

The facts that have been tested in practice should be better than the language of empty things.The below are my real backtests for NY Take5/39 by using GAT 2.3b in detail.
1) My game is NY Take-5/39 which is a daily game.
https://nylottery.ny.gov/take-5

2) Test period and winning data:
10/18/2017—10/31/2017;
https://nylottery.ny.gov/take-5/past-winning-numbers
11/01/2017 05-13-14-18-23
10/31/2017 03-04-10-15-17
10/30/2017 01-14-19-22-37
10/29/2017 14-16-24-33-39
10/28/2017 02-14-30-32-39
10/27/2017 09-13-36-38-39
10/26/2017 14-19-23-35-39
10/25/2017 04-05-18-24-34
10/24/2017 03-12-18-25-30
10/23/2017 05-14-20-27-37
10/22/2017 05-13-25-29-30
10/21/2017 20-30-32-38-39
10/20/2017 15-24-27-28-35
10/19/2017 01-04-13-22-25
10/18/2017 20-21-24-28-36

3) GAT ID=2252433 which is my selection as a better performing GAT in the backtests;
100/X=100/38=2.63-->3 (RF=3)
http://prntscr.com/l213lr

The settings are as below:
http://prntscr.com/l21429
http://prntscr.com/l214g0

4) RF=0-->10/18/2017: 20-21-24-28-36-->Draw #2118;
Predict-->10/19/2017: 01-04-13-22-25;
Using WG 1.84a: Got 20 combs from 12#s ( omitting the detail combs here)
The bet-->$20.00
The winning result-->2/5: 01-13
The profit-->0-20=-$20.00
http://prntscr.com/l216v6

5) RF=1-->10/19/2017: 01-04-13-22-25-->Draw #2119;
Predict-->10/20/2017: 15-24-27-28-35;
Using WG 1.84a: Got 20 combs from 12#s ( omitting the detail combs here)
The bet-->$20.00
The winning result-->2/5: 15-28
The profit-->0-40=-$40.00 (Note: Even if I got a 2/5 in the 20 combs above, I just can play a free pick-up only instead of getting $1.00 cash.)
http://prntscr.com/l217af

6) RF=2-->10/20/2017: 15-24-27-28-35-->Draw #2120;
Predict-->10/21/2017: 20-30-32-38-39;
Using WG 1.84a: Got 20 combs from 12#s ( omitting the detail combs here)
The bet--> $20.00
The wining result-->2/5: 30-39
The profit--> 0-60=-$60.00
http://prntscr.com/l2189g

7) RF=3-->10/21/2017: 20-30-32-38-39-->Draw #2121;
Predict-->10/22/2017: 05-13-25-29-30;
Using WG 1.84a: Got 20 combs from 12#s ( omitting the detail combs here)
The bet-->$20.00
The wining result-->2/5: 05-25
The profit--> 0-80=--$80.00
http://prntscr.com/l219bk

8) RF=4-->10/22/2017: 05-13-25-29-30-->Draw #2122;
Predict-->10/23/2017: 05-14-20-27-37;
Using WG 1.84a: Got 20 combs from 12#s ( omitting the detail combs here)
The bet-->$20.00
The wining result-->2/5;
The profit-->0-100=-$100.00
…….
The below picture is RF=12-->10/30/2017: 01-14-19-22-37-->Draw #2130;
Predict-->10/31/2017: 03-04-10-15-17; (RF=13,Draw #2131)
From the picture, we can find the wining result of RF=4 still is 2/5 (the 7th red point)
RF=5-->3/5; RF=6-->1/5; RF=7-->0/5; RF=8-->3/5; RF=9-->0/5; RF=10-->0/5;
RF=11-->3/5; RF=12-->3/5; RF=13-->1/5.
Obviously, the overall result of 15 draws should get a big loss!
http://prntscr.com/l21bta

Any question above please let me know asap.
I can post more results if you think my backtest above is not enough to prove my point: “GAT 2.3b does not solve this problem.” i.e. How do you find the better performing GATs? Whether they are in High or Low ID Rank, or using Run Factor, or selected by randomly , different perspective and identify elements, i.e. by inspecting graphs (blue, red and delay) or whatever.

Of course, this does not mean that my point is right, or as you said: “You never understood GAT in its full depth”. So I’m looking forward to Mr. AT or other friends to help me find out my wrong and tell me how can solve it.

Mr. AT, could you prove your points in your post above by using some backtests with pictures or videos for any real living lotto game in the world too?
Also, I do hope the all members here especially those who claimed to have won the grand prize by using GAT 2.3b can post their successful experience here.

To be honest, I have not yet found any real ticket of grand prize here until now except Starbreaker’s 4-wins with the New York Take-5 game.
(viewtopic.php?f=23&t=827)

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Re: GAT Strategy - Set ups

Post by lottoarchitect » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:34 pm

How do you find the better performing GATs?
Your picked GAT proves what I say, all these GATs are better performing GATs. Whichever one you pick you are already better than pure luck which is the ultimate target. If you didn't figure that out, you have demonstrated a GAT that over the course of 6 draws managed to deliver 2+ hits in all those draws. Just consider the chance to have 0 or 1 correct in 12 picked for you game is more than 50%. So this GAT is very good indeed. The case it didn't actually made some profit is because your game does not give some money for 2 hits. Your typical situation would be within those 6 draws, half of them to be a 0 or 1 hit only. Put this in perspective to understand how powerful this GAT you picked is. It actually did better to what it demonstrated over its hit history in hits sustainability.

One side note, you computed 100/38 but your GAT is not the top-most one. The 38 value at the top row refers to the top-most GAT at row 1. Your particular GAT should be 36 or less based on its position and ID (because of the X, X-1, X-2... positioning). So, the expected waiting time is 100/36=3 or longer but I can't see this data in your pics. It doesn't matter, indeed I don't expect this to be 4 or 5 of waiting time. So here it did deliver this 3+ hit on RF=5. Ok, the natural chance for a 3+ hit is once in 6.3 draws, you got it slightly sooner than that. Still within the typical 100/X + 1-2 draws we have said many times over the years. I don't see anything wrong here, this GAT did produce some good performance, close to what it demonstrated over its hits history and it is quite better to what natural chance indicates.
Actually I am amazed if you actually picked that GAT at RF=0 and it did deliver that string of constant 2 hits. Pretty amazing.

I don't see you commenting on that part too,
RF=5-->3/5; RF=6-->1/5; RF=7-->0/5; RF=8-->3/5; RF=9-->0/5; RF=10-->0/5; RF=11-->3/5; RF=12-->3/5; RF=13-->1/5
You do see those 3+ hits. Basically the whole thing shows this GAT delivers. I expect you do understand what the average waiting time of the 100/X calculation means.

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Re: GAT Strategy - Set ups

Post by lottoburg » Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:26 am

“all these GATs are better performing GATs. Whichever one you pick you are already better than pure luck which is the ultimate target.”
“ So here it did deliver this 3+ hit on RF=5. Ok, the natural chance for a 3+ hit is once in 6.3 draws, you got it slightly sooner than that.”
“ I don't see anything wrong here, this GAT did produce some good performance, close to what it demonstrated over its hits history and it is quite better to what natural chance indicates.”
You have already mentioned the term "Pure luck or Natural chance" more than three times above. Obviously, pure luck or natural chance is the ultimate target of your GAT Engine.

If I remember correctly, this should be the first statement, Mr. AT has publicly and clearly told his users since the sale of GAT Engine, that the accuracy or ultimate goal of his program just is a pure luck or natural chance only.

Thanks for Mr. AT, it lets us finally understand GAT Engine in its full depth now.

But who cares pure luck or natural chance!
The ultimate target of all lotto players is to get a real profit by using a program.

When your users are frustrated by the loss of valuable time and money since using GAT Engine, you are screaming happily at the side: Hey! What a powerful GAT you picked! Congratulations, you have won the natural chance which is once in 6.3 draws for a 3+ hit but you got it by using 6 draws only! Thank you also for demonstrated what I say (who cares real profit but pure luck only!) through your example. Actually I am amazed to your result. Pretty amazing.

This is really ridiculous and disappointing to all users of GAT Engine!

In addition, what I have to say is that these hits of 2/5 and 3/5 in my play were generated from 12 numbers instead of 5 numbers. In fact, there may be a zero win in the final result, i.e. 20 combs after a run of WG (Wheel Generator). This has been demonstrated by the results of GOL (GAT Online Prediction). From this perspective, your conclusion and happiness seem to be a little earlier.

From your reply, I have an ominous premonition: the future GAT 3.0 will not have any improvement in the prediction accuracy of GAT 2.3b. Most likely, GAT 3.0 just is a quick-pick version of GAT 2.3b only.

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Re: GAT Strategy - Set ups

Post by lottoburg » Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:30 am

“The case it didn't actually made some profit is because your game does not give some money for 2 hits.”
The all 4th prize (2/5) of Pick-5 without a bonus ball in the world will never exceed $2 or €2.
So, it’s still no improvement to getting a real profit in the play even I got a $2 or €2.

Could you tell me which Pick-5 without a bonus ball in the world can give out a big prize for a 2 fits?

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Re: GAT Strategy - Set ups

Post by lottoburg » Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:42 am

“Your typical situation would be within those 6 draws, half of them to be a 0 or 1 hit only. Put this in perspective to understand how powerful this GAT you picked is. It actually did better to what it demonstrated over its hit history in hits sustainability.”
Your judgment is not true. Please see the following fact.
The below is the picture of ID=2252433 at RF=37.
http://prntscr.com/l33wq1

Obviously no need to calculate it in detail, if I continued to use this ID to bet, the end result would be more losses than RF4 or RF13, even if there was a second prize ($500).

Frankly speaking, we can say that the ID=2252433 is a Good one, but we can't say it is a Better one over its all history of hits sustainability (or hot history).

We do hope can find a better ID through a strategy or tool.
Unfortunately, there is no any practical answer so far even this problem has been discussed for many years here.

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