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Strange tables

Post by Numbers_Guru » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:44 am

Hi Any and All,

Below is a table of values I have derived from an Australia based lotto game.

I am constantly being told on many other forums and statistical sites that lotto number do NOT produce a pattern.

Yet below is a table of numbers derived solely from lotto results that when I graph them out in Excel definitely show a trend attached to the results of the games.

The resulting trends themselves do not predict actual numbers but an underlying data result derived from the numbers that have fallen.

I know that sounds cryptic and it's meant to, if I divulge where they come from or how they are derived at this time it will absolutely blow peoples minds. I will say that there is no mystical system attached, they are derived by pure statistical analysis and math, and they represent an area of results from the numbers drawn that I have never seen considered in any program or approach taken in lottery number analysis.

It has take me near on 5 years of intuitive approach reduction to come up with this, by that I mean I have spent 5 years testing many and most systems with abject failure.

I then took a clean sheet approach and came up with this, well not consciously but subconsciously. I would spend hours each day working through a train of reasoning and modelling that only to derive another 10 trains of direction to branch off into.

Then when I tried to sleep at night my brain would go to work, it would spend my sleeping time churning through approaches and directions. I'm guessing with reduced input stimuli from 5 senses it had time to use that "down time" to crunch the numbers. Anyway long story short, I would wake up at usually 3AM with a completely new approach and directions to take in the number analysis.

So after 5 years of this I have arrived here with these results...

I would be interested to get anyone's take on them?

They are counting the occurrence of an event over time, the numbers reducing to the present time.

Thanks

NG.



1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
488 444 352 278 239 191 189 149 137 128 92 89 60 59 51 44 34 34 21 15
480 439 346 270 233 189 188 147 135 127 92 89 60 58 51 44 34 33 20 15
473 430 343 263 231 189 184 147 135 126 90 88 59 56 50 44 32 33 18 15
466 420 339 260 230 188 181 144 133 124 85 87 59 55 50 44 32 32 18 15
461 416 333 255 225 186 179 144 129 122 84 84 58 53 50 41 32 32 18 15
454 412 332 252 220 184 176 143 127 120 83 82 56 51 50 38 31 31 18 14
444 409 325 247 216 182 173 140 126 117 83 82 56 51 47 38 30 31 18 14
437 403 321 242 214 181 170 134 125 115 81 80 56 50 46 38 30 29 18 14
430 395 318 237 211 177 168 130 125 114 79 77 56 50 46 37 29 29 18 14
425 392 308 231 203 176 165 127 124 114 77 77 55 49 46 37 29 29 18 14
419 387 305 228 201 169 164 124 122 109 75 77 54 46 46 37 28 29 18 14
409 383 300 223 199 166 160 121 121 108 73 77 53 46 46 37 28 28 18 14
400 377 290 221 196 164 158 121 120 105 70 76 53 46 46 37 28 27 18 14
394 374 286 218 193 160 156 118 119 102 69 73 53 45 45 36 27 25 18 14
386 370 283 213 190 156 152 118 118 101 66 72 51 45 44 36 27 25 17 13
384 361 280 207 188 151 149 115 115 99 62 72 51 43 44 36 27 25 17 13
379 354 276 203 184 146 145 115 113 97 62 72 50 41 43 34 26 24 17 13
371 350 271 198 181 144 142 115 111 97 60 71 47 40 41 33 25 24 16 13
368 345 261 193 174 142 141 113 109 96 59 71 45 40 40 33 25 23 16 13
361 336 258 189 171 141 139 112 108 93 58 71 43 39 40 31 25 22 16 11
352 331 254 185 170 138 137 110 107 91 58 68 42 39 38 31 24 20 15 11
343 326 250 180 167 135 137 108 106 90 57 66 41 37 38 30 22 20 15 11
338 317 244 177 163 129 133 106 105 89 57 63 41 37 37 30 22 20 15 11
329 313 239 169 160 126 129 106 104 86 57 62 41 37 35 29 21 20 15 11
322 305 234 167 158 120 127 103 103 85 56 62 40 36 35 27 20 20 14 10
316 296 228 164 157 119 125 101 101 84 56 60 38 35 32 26 19 19 13 10
306 294 222 160 156 114 123 99 99 81 53 59 37 35 32 25 19 19 12 10
298 288 216 157 154 112 118 97 97 81 51 57 35 35 31 24 18 19 12 10
292 280 213 152 152 109 114 96 96 80 51 55 34 35 29 23 16 18 11 10
285 273 208 145 149 107 111 95 95 79 51 54 33 33 29 23 15 17 11 9
276 266 200 142 146 106 107 93 94 79 49 54 32 32 29 23 15 15 11 9
272 263 195 135 139 101 104 93 92 78 49 51 32 30 29 23 15 15 11 9
267 256 189 133 137 98 102 90 90 78 46 49 32 27 29 23 15 15 10 9
263 247 184 126 134 94 102 88 88 78 45 47 31 26 29 21 14 15 10 9
257 245 176 125 130 92 98 86 84 77 43 44 31 26 28 21 14 13 10 9
252 234 170 123 128 89 97 82 83 75 41 42 31 26 27 20 14 13 10 9
244 229 166 118 126 88 94 78 82 74 41 38 29 26 27 19 13 13 10 8
238 222 162 113 121 84 91 75 79 74 41 37 28 25 27 19 13 13 10 7
230 218 161 106 117 82 89 74 76 70 41 35 26 25 26 18 13 12 9 6
221 209 154 106 113 81 87 74 74 68 38 33 26 24 25 18 13 12 8 6
214 203 151 102 108 77 82 74 72 66 38 33 26 24 23 16 13 12 7 6
211 196 149 97 106 72 80 71 69 62 36 33 25 23 20 16 13 12 7 6
204 189 142 93 105 69 80 68 65 61 35 33 23 21 20 16 13 12 7 6
195 184 138 87 102 67 79 67 63 58 33 33 22 20 20 14 13 10 7 6
187 179 133 86 97 62 76 67 59 56 31 32 22 20 20 13 13 10 7 6
184 172 124 83 95 60 72 64 59 54 31 31 21 19 20 12 12 9 6 5
178 164 119 81 90 57 71 61 57 50 31 28 21 18 19 12 12 9 6 5
172 155 115 77 85 55 71 59 56 46 29 26 20 18 18 12 11 9 6 5
165 149 107 71 84 55 70 58 53 44 26 26 19 17 17 12 10 8 5 5
160 143 102 67 82 52 67 55 50 43 25 25 18 16 15 12 9 8 5 5
146 137 100 64 79 49 63 53 47 42 24 24 18 16 15 11 9 8 5 5
140 129 92 64 78 47 59 51 44 40 23 24 17 13 15 11 9 8 3 5
129 122 86 59 77 47 56 50 42 37 23 24 17 13 13 9 9 8 2 5
124 114 83 55 74 41 50 48 40 36 22 22 17 13 13 8 9 8 2 5
119 106 82 51 68 38 47 45 37 34 21 22 16 11 12 8 9 8 2 4
112 103 75 49 65 36 42 44 36 31 19 19 16 11 12 6 8 6 1 4
106 96 68 46 62 32 41 42 32 28 18 19 16 11 11 5 8 6 1 4
101 89 64 40 57 27 38 39 30 27 18 18 16 11 10 5 7 6 1 4
93 82 60 36 53 27 36 35 27 24 18 15 16 10 10 4 7 6 1 4
89 79 55 32 48 26 34 31 26 20 17 13 16 8 8 2 7 5 1 4
80 69 53 27 45 24 32 31 26 16 17 12 14 8 7 2 5 5 1 4
71 62 48 26 44 19 29 28 23 16 16 12 13 7 6 2 4 3 1 4
65 56 42 23 40 18 24 25 22 15 13 11 12 6 6 2 4 3 1 4
61 52 36 21 38 17 20 22 19 13 8 10 9 5 6 2 3 2 1 3
53 41 32 19 33 13 18 21 16 13 7 8 8 5 5 2 3 2 1 3
45 36 27 17 28 11 15 16 13 12 6 8 8 5 5 2 2 2 1 3
41 28 23 15 22 9 12 11 9 12 6 6 7 5 4 2 1 2 0 3
36 23 17 12 17 7 10 9 5 10 5 3 5 4 4 2 1 2 0 2
25 17 14 10 9 7 7 6 3 8 4 2 5 4 4 0 1 1 0 2
20 11 10 7 6 2 5 4 0 8 3 1 2 1 3 0 0 1 0 1
7 5 4 5 4 0 2 2 0 5 2 1 1 0 3 0 0 0 0 0

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Re: Strange tables

Post by Numbers_Guru » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:23 am

No takers??

The table did not post in very well, I believe if you copy it and paste into Excel as a space delimited variable it will correct it.

Having said that i have played around with my results further.

Statistically the numbers shown represent a historical outcome.

If you where to graph out the results you would see a growth trend, this trend can be measured over time to show the actual growth of specific inputs.

In other words I have worked out a way to measure and track the growth of specific number based on a specific criteria.

The event that triggers the growth change is linked to the rate of growth compared against other number rates of growth.

There are underlying measurements and event(s) that occur against which this is happening!!!!

I don't know why no body has seen this in the past??

I am dying to reveal the secret but at the same time am trying to find an exploit to it to improve my odds.

Currently I have been modelling on a 7/45 game with around 800 prior games history.

Results have been somewhat variable, in general my current approach has shown a link in the cycle based loosely around the law of averages.

That is the events seem to want to average out as a cluster, but are represented individually as a very loose connection to the average but still a strong association.

I then use the historical growth for the individual analysis to give me a heads up on the strong performers in the cycle. I also an exclusion outcome base on number history to reduce the individual analysis.

I know all very cryptic and hard to understand if you don't know the facts.

Bottom line is the results....

I have been modelling on historic data only, blind future results and no future results contamination of data used. I had made a big mistake in the past where I had inadvertently contaminated my results with future results, big mistake.

So for my modelling which includes a semi gut feel approach while I am digging deeper into the underlying links.

Generally I can predict between 3 to 4 numbers in a selection of 18 to 22 numbers every week.

On average every 8 to 12 weeks I can predict 4 to 6 numbers in a selection of between 18 to 22 numbers.

On average every 10 to 16 weeks I can predict 6 to 7 numbers in a selection of between 18 to 22 numbers.

Statistically I am able to reduce my selection pool down from a 45 number game to a 22 number game with potential to hit the winning 7 number combination around every 16 weeks.

But you can not play a 22 number game. You can only play an 18 number game and that costs ~$20k per 18 number play. Doing the math it would cost me around $360k for 20 weeks playing of 18 number games :shock: .

Problem is I might miss one of the winning numbers by dropping 4 numbers from the larger 22 number pool.

So I am currently trying to find a better approach, as I said my current selection method has a lot of gut feel to it from understanding what is happening statistically and behaviourally with the numbers.

And yes the numbers I am examining do behave in a certain way over time.

I have taken the last 4 weeks off work to work on this and am sure that I have found something, I just need to flesh it out further and come up with a functional approach.

Anyway that's where I'm at, not expecting any replies etc. Just writing down my thoughts which helps me in determining my next steps in my analysis.

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Re: Strange tables

Post by Skirrow » Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:08 pm

Hi
A trend can be observed , not a definitive trend but a trend none the less .......

Without knowing where the data comes from it's difficult to say that it's worth following BUT I have been doing a lot of analysis ( Via Excel ) and my results are similar, so I have a good idea what you are working on !

Good Luck with your efforts

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Re: Strange tables

Post by Numbers_Guru » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:20 am

Hi Skirrow,

Thanks for the reply, I've been lurking around another forum as this one seems to be dead or near death, so sorry for the delayed reply.

No sure if I can mention that "other" forum here or if that breaks the rules?

Anyway I have been on a numbers journey of late, much like you I am basing all my exploration in Excel, it's a very easy to follow logic tool.

What I posted earlier is now quite old and somewhat redundant, since posting I have made some significant findings that are somewhat untoward.

All my exploration has been based around very solid maths and statistical analysis, and I have drawn the following conclusion.

The numbers themselves do not give you the ability to define the next set of outcomes. There is a dimensionless value attached to the numbers that I am using that seems to be giving me some very good insight to the outcomes.

Statistically and also a well know fact is that for any game there is insufficient data history to draw any solid conclusions from. The only potential benefit of following the past drawn numbers seems to come from pattern tracking and looking at pattern repeats or reducing from potential future pattern pools past pattern pools. I.E the pattern for numbers 2, 8, 15, 32, 37, 39 is the same as the pattern for 4, 10, 17, 34, 39, 41. If you track a past number pattern against all past draws then you will generally only find one match for that pattern. However you may also find elements of that pattern matching other number draws.

Also you will find for all the past number / pattern draws that there are potentially hundreds of thousands of new patterns that could happen. This is essentially why no one with any real numbers understanding believes it is possible to predict the next set of numbers.

Now having said that as a dose of numerical reality, I'm going to contradict myself.

It is possible to generate a system for number selection that reduces the pool of numbers from which you can select the next lot of winning numbers.

Essentially you need to do this with a dimensionless variable. What that is I am not giving away at the moment, but my current results from utilising this system are showing some very promising results.

I analyse a 6/45 game, I have been able to reduce the selection pool that contains the winning numbers down from 45 to 25 to get a reasonably consistent 6 from 25 result.

Depending on how I go about some analytical elements of my selection process I can get the number pool down to 18 numbers with an approx 1 in 15 game win. So every ~15 games allows a 6/18 pool win, this would be a great system to play for a syndicate, as an individual I can not afford it.

However I have been doing some further analysis of my approach and find that if I include a tracking of my dimensionless variable in my data analysis that I can get even better results. This is only preliminary of the improvement as I need to keep blind testing it against existing data sets and results to get it to fine tune itself further. I then need to test it against absolute blind plays with number predictions for future games and see what that shows up. The last thing I would want to do is to have some kind of future results inadvertently fed into the outcomes, it would contaminate them.

I would be interested to hear what you are doing if similar?

NG.

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Re: Strange tables

Post by Skirrow » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:11 pm

Hi Numbers,
Again , a very interesting post ...

I have tried looking for and testing anything that appeared valid when selecting numbers, but unfortunately the lack of success eventually slowed my enthusiasm and I only resumed looking on an irregular basis.

However,after several years of this ad hoc approach , I came to the conclusion that whilst trying to analyse results of "hits" , it is more beneficial to eliminate numbers that were least likely to appear.

This approach has provided a far more beneficial approach to selection of numbers.
I am analysing a 6/59 game (UK Lotto) & this approach has given me the ability to select a set of numbers that return 3,4 or 5 correct 90% of the time with 6 correct once every 8 weeks (2 draws per week).
To date I have only reduced the number selection down to approx 30 numbers ,almost 50% ,which is not yet financially viable , plus my backtesting and selection is dynamic and therefore improves ,in theory, after every draw !

I am at present testing my strategy with an additional elimination method which is looking promising, so I am very confident I can get the selection down to a smaller number,the history for this game is only 300+ ( it was a 6/49 game) so it can only get better !!


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Re: Strange tables

Post by Flash2188 » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:17 pm

Hi Numbers,

I live in Australia too and agree with your logic and the mathematicians that it's near impossible to
predict the next set of numbers from previously drawn ones. Everyone has tried hot/cold, high/low,
odd/even and so on trends for predictions with no considerable consistency.....I have tried to formulate
a consistent pool of numbers that would give me the magical six correct but the best I could manage
was at least 30 numbers and it would have to be played at least 24 times making the cost prohibitive!

I'm still tinkering with this and I can certainly agree that Lotto analysis can keep you up at night when
you're trying to sleep! I hope you have made a breakthrough in this toughest of challenges to beat !

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Re: Strange tables

Post by Numbers_Guru » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:58 pm

Hi SKR,
:o get outta here. Seriously you and I are on a very similar page I think.
Mathematically what you and I am doing is called Bayesian reduction. Probably telling you something that you already know but for the sake of others;
Bayesian reduction is the elimination of the least likely outcomes in an effort to leave the most likely outcomes still in play.
We use it everyday as a logic tool without really thinking about it. Like if you lose the car keys you immediately and almost subconsciously eliminate the deep freezer as the first place to look as it is a highly unlikely location. Your brain enhances this by adding in a backtracking if recent activities and trying to short list likely items and or locations where the keys may be.

So the process to eliminate numbers is a logical process that our brains are familiar with.

What is not logical is the method by which it is achieved.

I dare say that we may differ a bit here in that my method has to do with creation of dimensionless values unrelated to the actual lotto numbers or their locations.

Your 30 pool from 59 given a small historical result base is exceptionally impressive.

Also given your wording on it being dynamic I will assume that you are using a NN or AI to optimise your selections?

I tried NN but did not find it worked well, besides which I had a heck if a time implementing.

Keep up the good work, I get inspired to keep trying hearing of others success.

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Re: Strange tables

Post by Numbers_Guru » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:05 pm

Thanks Flash,
Not an easy journey but one that needs to be taken to discover what does NOT work as much as what does work.
As for a significant discovery? Small steps in the the right direction.

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